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Message 56418 - Posted: 19 Oct 2008, 7:18:10 UTC

since my computer always goes on strikes,I often use task manager to stop those programs that cause jam.Everytime after i quit bonic,the projects of rosetta still run,so i have to stop the project from task manager manually.But i noticed a phenomenon,everytime I quit project from TM,the next time I start Boinc,the status of the project which I quit previously is computing error,and the computing I had done before got useless.Is there any relation between computing error and manually shut down?

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Message 56421 - Posted: 19 Oct 2008, 13:40:08 UTC - in response to Message 56418.  

since my computer always goes on strikes,I often use task manager to stop those programs that cause jam.Everytime after i quit bonic,the projects of rosetta still run,so i have to stop the project from task manager manually.But i noticed a phenomenon,everytime I quit project from TM,the next time I start Boinc,the status of the project which I quit previously is computing error,and the computing I had done before got useless.Is there any relation between computing error and manually shut down?

thanks for answering ~~

if you abort tasks through task manager then they'll error out. Why are you killing boinc.exe in task manager? I doubt that is causing you a problem - in my experience it's usually anti-virus programs that are the first port of call if XP is not being responsive.
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Message 56423 - Posted: 19 Oct 2008, 16:11:47 UTC

Godfather, there have been some issues lately where the BOINC Manager doesn't seem to be in control of the tasks the way it should be. The manager has told the task to suspend and it does not respond. The result is that you can end up with more tasks then you have CPUs that are running at the same time. And if your suspend on idle or switch to another project's tasks, the tasks that were running at the time don't seem to suspend properly.

Which BOINC version are you using? And which operating system on your machine?

From looking at your tasks page, it looks like all of your machines are Windows XP and BOINC 6.2.19.

Hopefully the cause of the tasks continuing to run after they've been told to suspend will be resolved soon.
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Message 56427 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 2:26:08 UTC - in response to Message 56423.  

Godfather, there have been some issues lately where the BOINC Manager doesn't seem to be in control of the tasks the way it should be. The manager has told the task to suspend and it does not respond. The result is that you can end up with more tasks then you have CPUs that are running at the same time. And if your suspend on idle or switch to another project's tasks, the tasks that were running at the time don't seem to suspend properly.

Which BOINC version are you using? And which operating system on your machine?

From looking at your tasks page, it looks like all of your machines are Windows XP and BOINC 6.2.19.

Hopefully the cause of the tasks continuing to run after they've been told to suspend will be resolved soon.


yea, my machine 's operation systme is XP and I use boinc version 6.2.19.thank you.
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Message 56428 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 6:06:43 UTC

I quit Boinc often by using the Task Manager, and I don't have any Problems with it.In Fact you get errors by killing the Process or the Task..try out stopping the boinc-SERVICE in your task manager (its Dienste in german).

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Message 56429 - Posted: 20 Oct 2008, 9:10:45 UTC - in response to Message 56428.  

I quit Boinc often by using the Task Manager, and I don't have any Problems with it.In Fact you get errors by killing the Process or the Task..try out stopping the boinc-SERVICE in your task manager (its Dienste in german).

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If running as a service, then stopping the service is fine. Killing the boinc exe isn't recommended and killing the rosetta exe is probably going to cause the task to error out.
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Message 56434 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 5:43:15 UTC - in response to Message 56429.  

I quit Boinc often by using the Task Manager, and I don't have any Problems with it.In Fact you get errors by killing the Process or the Task..try out stopping the boinc-SERVICE in your task manager (its Dienste in german).

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If running as a service, then stopping the service is fine. Killing the boinc exe isn't recommended and killing the rosetta exe is probably going to cause the task to error out.



I guess so too.Maybe next time I should snooze it before terminate~~
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Message 56435 - Posted: 21 Oct 2008, 8:56:44 UTC - in response to Message 56434.  

I quit Boinc often by using the Task Manager, and I don't have any Problems with it.In Fact you get errors by killing the Process or the Task..try out stopping the boinc-SERVICE in your task manager (its Dienste in german).

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If running as a service, then stopping the service is fine. Killing the boinc exe isn't recommended and killing the rosetta exe is probably going to cause the task to error out.



I guess so too.Maybe next time I should snooze it before terminate~~

I don't think snoozing will help. I'm not sure why you would terminate it anyway? If you do want to stop BOINC then you should either exit it from boinc manager (i.e. right-click the icon and 'exit'), or stop the service using Start > Run > net stop boinc.

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Message 56455 - Posted: 24 Oct 2008, 6:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 56435.  

I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.
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Message 56456 - Posted: 24 Oct 2008, 8:22:42 UTC - in response to Message 56455.  

I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.

Rosetta only checkpoints at certain points and resumes from the last checkpoint when it restarts.

If you kill boinc then it will take a while for rosetta to end. If you exit boinc then rosetta will end immediately. are you running boinc as a service?
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Message 56458 - Posted: 24 Oct 2008, 11:05:59 UTC - in response to Message 56456.  

I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.

Rosetta only checkpoints at certain points and resumes from the last checkpoint when it restarts.

If you kill boinc then it will take a while for rosetta to end. If you exit boinc then rosetta will end immediately. are you running boinc as a service?


I have tried all the methods you mentioned.none of them worked.but now, seems new WUs have got that fixed,it can start from where I stopped.what do you mean by as a service? I just run it for fun,donating to science ~~
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Message 56459 - Posted: 24 Oct 2008, 11:08:12 UTC - in response to Message 56456.  

I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.

Rosetta only checkpoints at certain points and resumes from the last checkpoint when it restarts.

If you kill boinc then it will take a while for rosetta to end. If you exit boinc then rosetta will end immediately. are you running boinc as a service?


I wonder how you guys acquired so many credits?are you running many machinesat 24 for 7? or your machine has very excellent configs that make you run it faster?
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Message 56466 - Posted: 24 Oct 2008, 23:11:38 UTC - in response to Message 56459.  

I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.

Rosetta only checkpoints at certain points and resumes from the last checkpoint when it restarts.

If you kill boinc then it will take a while for rosetta to end. If you exit boinc then rosetta will end immediately. are you running boinc as a service?


I wonder how you guys acquired so many credits?are you running many machinesat 24 for 7? or your machine has very excellent configs that make you run it faster?

if boinc is installed as a service then it runs regardless of who's logged on to the machine. You can see if it's installed as a service if you do:

Start > Run > services.msc

if boinc is listed then it's installed as a service. In that case, to stop it you can do:

Start > Run > net stop boinc

(and 'net start boinc' to restart it)

As for the credits, multiple machines (i have four here, and then friends and family) for a long time - around three years now.

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Message 56475 - Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 12:33:54 UTC - in response to Message 56466.  

I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.

Rosetta only checkpoints at certain points and resumes from the last checkpoint when it restarts.

If you kill boinc then it will take a while for rosetta to end. If you exit boinc then rosetta will end immediately. are you running boinc as a service?


I wonder how you guys acquired so many credits?are you running many machinesat 24 for 7? or your machine has very excellent configs that make you run it faster?

if boinc is installed as a service then it runs regardless of who's logged on to the machine. You can see if it's installed as a service if you do:

Start > Run > services.msc

if boinc is listed then it's installed as a service. In that case, to stop it you can do:

Start > Run > net stop boinc

(and 'net start boinc' to restart it)

As for the credits, multiple machines (i have four here, and then friends and family) for a long time - around three years now.

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Danny


Someone posted this before (about boinc as a serice) when it comes to 5.98 graphics not being shown. So I take it I should uninstall boinc and then reinstall for my user profile specifically? then i should be able to see the 5.98 graphics. my task manager runs just fine even with boinc installed as a service. just the 5.98 graphics is a problem.
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Message 56478 - Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 16:38:41 UTC - in response to Message 56475.  
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I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.

Rosetta only checkpoints at certain points and resumes from the last checkpoint when it restarts.

If you kill boinc then it will take a while for rosetta to end. If you exit boinc then rosetta will end immediately. are you running boinc as a service?


I wonder how you guys acquired so many credits?are you running many machinesat 24 for 7? or your machine has very excellent configs that make you run it faster?

if boinc is installed as a service then it runs regardless of who's logged on to the machine. You can see if it's installed as a service if you do:

Start > Run > services.msc

if boinc is listed then it's installed as a service. In that case, to stop it you can do:

Start > Run > net stop boinc

(and 'net start boinc' to restart it)

As for the credits, multiple machines (i have four here, and then friends and family) for a long time - around three years now.

HTH
Danny


Someone posted this before (about boinc as a serice) when it comes to 5.98 graphics not being shown. So I take it I should uninstall boinc and then reinstall for my user profile specifically? then i should be able to see the 5.98 graphics. my task manager runs just fine even with boinc installed as a service. just the 5.98 graphics is a problem.

if you go into services (Start > Run > services.msc) you can set boinc to run under the local system account which allow the boinc service to interact with the desktop which should mean the graphics work.

I'm not sure if there are security issues with this setup, but if there are I don't believe they're any more serious than running BOINC under a power user or administrator account, and it should mean the graphics work.
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Message 56480 - Posted: 25 Oct 2008, 19:50:27 UTC - in response to Message 56478.  

I quit boinc from task manager because everytime I quit it from the tray of boinc,what i quitted was just boinc,some projects in boinc still runs(can be seen in task manager),like rosetta,which means I cant really stop the program,it's still occuping resources.Now,I got some new problems,I cant stop the rosetta anymore.when I click stop,it does stop,but next time i want to resume,rosetta start from zero percent again,not from where I stopped it,all the previous works are gone.why? this problem only occur to rosetta,seti and other projects are normal.

Rosetta only checkpoints at certain points and resumes from the last checkpoint when it restarts.

If you kill boinc then it will take a while for rosetta to end. If you exit boinc then rosetta will end immediately. are you running boinc as a service?


I wonder how you guys acquired so many credits?are you running many machinesat 24 for 7? or your machine has very excellent configs that make you run it faster?

if boinc is installed as a service then it runs regardless of who's logged on to the machine. You can see if it's installed as a service if you do:

Start > Run > services.msc

if boinc is listed then it's installed as a service. In that case, to stop it you can do:

Start > Run > net stop boinc

(and 'net start boinc' to restart it)

As for the credits, multiple machines (i have four here, and then friends and family) for a long time - around three years now.

HTH
Danny


Someone posted this before (about boinc as a serice) when it comes to 5.98 graphics not being shown. So I take it I should uninstall boinc and then reinstall for my user profile specifically? then i should be able to see the 5.98 graphics. my task manager runs just fine even with boinc installed as a service. just the 5.98 graphics is a problem.

if you go into services (Start > Run > services.msc) you can set boinc to run under the local system account which allow the boinc service to interact with the desktop which should mean the graphics work.

I'm not sure if there are security issues with this setup, but if there are I don't believe they're any more serious than running BOINC under a power user or administrator account, and it should mean the graphics work.


moving the program in that manned caused a dll error. so i uninstalled and reinstalled but without the middle box, something about protected....
but the multiple restarts caused a computation error from to many restarts on the work i was doing.
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