Will the new forum have a team area? I don't have the post reference handy, but it has been mentioned a few times that it would be useful for teams to have their own area of a message board for themselves.

I've only used Usenet like once and found the interfaces to it quite hideous. This was years ago. I'm sure it's improved a lot since then. Please point me to links and info. on how to use the new forum.

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Perhaps the new forum could have a "Bar area" too, where children aren't allowed. It would be like the "Cafe", only with adult language.

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GEE! Posted for 20 seconds and already a minus one on the counter.
That is another problem with this forum. This plus/minus voting system, allows a group to get together and effectively silence an opposing view.

A minus vote doesn't silence anyone... unless I suppose you have your message board preferences set to screen that out. I think the default is like -25 before a post is filtered out of anyone's display. So you'd have to get 25 negative votes with none positive to fall in to the filtered out catagory.

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As to moderator bias: All mods started here with the wish to bring peace and reason back and to moderate the different views.

Your use of past tense seems out of place. Are you implying that moderators are no longer interested in bringing peace and reason? [Insert eek emoticon here]

It turned out that a few people are/were not interested in a reasonable discussion but just try to use every possibility to discredit the project.

So are you saying that not only those whom you accuse are irrational: they are not reasonable.

Tsk Tsk DE you are name calling again.

Although we should try to be impartial in any discussion we are also committed to prevent damage to the project.

Sadly the type of medicine you are trying to apply has resulted in more damage. You have become active participant in flaming and have created ill will.

If someone constantly repeats accusing the staff and the mods of being morons we need to act.

I for one have not accused the staff members of being morons. So I am asking that you don't place words in my mouth.

Nor Have I called the moderators morons. I have called them biased and hypersensitive, hard headed and authoritarian among other things. But morons, never.

To make this point clear: I do hold that the moderators have a high degree of intelligence. That is what makes me angry and sad: intelligent people like the moderators behaving in such a way their bias shows ...I will not say what I am thinking after this ...it will get me in trouble. I hope none of the moderators are mind readers :)

That is the moment we become "biased".

Wrong, you became biased when you instead of moderating attacked people by as Mod sense said using labels to imply they were not rational and when you and others allowed flames against one side with your protection and sometimes active participation. Worst when you are hiding under a cloak that doesn't permit to see the real person writing and moderating and while protected by your moderator status and power.

And Mod.De takes us back to the 5.5 issue....

Well done De.

Then we are accused of being the ones that go into the branches.

...- and no I'm not feet1st. ;-)

De don't leave us hanging. Please the suspense is killing me!!!

Who are you?

See if I were going to be sarcastic I could start an informal poll in a new thread as to your ID. Hey I could even offer a reward to the person that correctly ids you.

But I would not do that : I wouldn't be nice.

PS: What I found interesting is that Moderator Sense refers to you as if you were more than one person.

As I quote

In his Message 27229 - Posted 18 Sep 2006 1:01:20 UTC , Moderator Sense said:

"... However, you are correct, I haven't seen an actual apology, and I have to agree with you, that they should apologize for the inference that people were acting in a mannar deserving of a label. "

Highlight done for empahsis.

Will the new forum have a team area? I don't have the post reference handy, but it has been mentioned a few times that it would be useful for teams to have their own area of a message board for themselves.

No. That is not how USENET works. There is a single group: comp.distributed. It's been available since Feb 2002. Feel free to post. Everyone posts everything there. If you don't want to read certain threads or people, you filter them out on the client end. In the rare occasion that the volumes justify it, groups can be sub-divided. But the volumes need to be demonstrated first, and people would have to vote on it and approve.

I've only used Usenet like once and found the interfaces to it quite hideous. This was years ago. I'm sure it's improved a lot since then. Please point me to links and info. on how to use the new forum.

The interface is up to you, and which client you chose to use. It can be command line (rn/trn/nn/etc). It can be a GUI (Thunderbird/Agent/Gravity/Newswatcher/etc). It can be via web frontend (groups.google.com).

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Perhaps the new forum could have a "Bar area" too, where children aren't allowed. It would be like the "Cafe", only with adult language.

On USENET, there is no "allowed". There is no moderation, or authority of any kind. People post what they want, people read what they want. It is up to parents to decide what their kids can/can't see.

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It turned out that a few people are/were not interested in a reasonable discussion but just try to use every possibility to discredit the project.

criticize != discredit

Speaking for myself, I posted criticism with the hope that the PTB would take action to fix the problems. Not to discredit the project.

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criticize != discredit

Exactly!!!!
Moderators are playing the mantra that if you criticize their obvious faults , you are discrediting the project.

They are confusing unanimity with loyalty. Worst they are equating criticizing moderators with disloyalty to the project; as if the moderators were the project.

Has feet1st ever used 5.5.0? I doubt that very much - and no I'm not feet1st. ;-)

He was using 5.4.9 according to my charts when the "credit flame wars" started.

This is no doubt true Tony as you have the stats, howether we`ve already seen evidence that optimised clients were used cross project as far back as 2004 which skewed Boinc stats long before any of the so called "C" came on the scene. There is also no doubt that some people using the "C" word originally participated in optimisation.

But this is history......

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Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

This is no doubt true Tony as you have the stats, howether we`ve already seen evidence that optimised clients were used cross project as far back as 2004 which skewed Boinc stats long before any of the so called "C" came on the scene. There is also no doubt that some people using the "C" word originally participated in optimisation.

But this is history......

I agree.

I asked Crunch3r to atleast post a note/warning on his site which indicated his clients shouldn't be used on projects other than Seti and then only with his optimized App. I also asked if he could program it into the client to NOT work with anything other than his optimized app. (note: I can even show where the use of his app with his client still claimed to much at seti). I specifically asked him about Rosetta last December. His answer was effectively "it's Rosettas' problem for not having an open sourced app". I can dig this post up if you don't believe me.

tony

No need Tony, I quite believe you. As I said it`s history now anyhow.

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Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.

Jose:
"The Mayor of New York City works in the Mayor's Office. They get a lot of work done."
This doesn't neccessarily imply that there's two Mayor Julianis (is he still the Mayor of NYC?). They is also used instead of He or She when the gender of the person is unknown.

Please stop bringing up trivialities.

If you want to present a major point, then find someone diplomatic to present the core point diplomatically, instead of bringing up endless inconsequentialities while getting involved in pointless verbal battles.

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

My guess is that

1) Most people are too new to the internet to be familiar with USENET
2) Change is scary, and they are familiar with this forum
3) If one is trying to convince the powers that be to make changes, it must be done here

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

My guess is that

1) Most people are too new to the internet to be familiar with USENET
2) Change is scary, and they are familiar with this forum
3) If one is trying to convince the powers that be to make changes, it must be done here

Right. Most newer netizens have never heard od USENET.

Perhaps the non-private atmosphere (not just Rosetta) is also intimidating.

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I don't understand... why are there no posts on the new forum?

There's 115 posts in this thread... some for, some against... either way, a LOT of interest in a new forum... and only one opening post. What gives?

My guess is that

1) Most people are too new to the internet to be familiar with USENET
2) Change is scary, and they are familiar with this forum
3) If one is trying to convince the powers that be to make changes, it must be done here

Right. Most newer netizens have never heard od USENET.

Perhaps the non-private atmosphere (not just Rosetta) is also intimidating.

Mod.Tymbrimi is tralala - or not :)

And there was me thinking USENET was just for porn and warez, newer net users may know USENET better as 'newsgroups' since that what most ISP's call them and windows applications used to get them (MS Outlook/Desktop Live, XNEWS etc.. etc..).

Personally I don;t think USENET is the answer, there are already boards that tried to set up (Teddies for example created a better alternative boinc board) but they just don't work as intended because it's not backed by bakerlabs. bakerlabs need to decide on how these forums/message board should be run and tell us. They should also update it to the same version used at Ralph and probably add a bitching section ;-). If the Pirates@Home modification are stable (or have been put into the 5.6/5.7 code AND they give the moderators sensible options, for example individual post move/merge and edit, that is edit with a notification that it has been edited and who by they should be implemented).


tralala is a mod.

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Hey! Looks like this new forum thing is REALLY taking off! The present topic seems to be related to the ummm "awards for crunching work done". And I must say, the discussion has been quite civil so far. I think they should start a thread called yacc (it's a UNIX joke, sorry), stands for Yet Another Credit Conversation.

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