That's really good. I have an AMD Ryzen 1400, Zen.
Not going to upgrade though :)
I still have an AMD Trinity Laptop (A8-4500M) and an A10-5700 APU (Piledriver) but they are not being used.

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I don't see any new Ryzen in the CPU list. Hmm...
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/cpu_list.php

I don't see any new Ryzen in the CPU list. Hmm...
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/cpu_list.php

Most of them have been bought by scalpers, so unless you want to pay 3 or more times their retail price, it'll be a few weeks or more before they are readily available. And i'm not sure how often that CPU list gets updated.
Also once people have them, it takes about 4 weeks of uninterrupted crunching for their RAC to get up to it's nominal levels. So if there are any new Ryzen 3 crunchers doing Rosetta, they'll still be way down in the Top computers listings.

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Grant
Darwin NT

That's really good. I have an AMD Ryzen 1400, Zen.
Not going to upgrade though :)

Give it 6 months for stock levels & prices to settle down. Then depending on your motherboard, all it may take is a BIOS update & you could boost your systems performance by double just for it's single threaded performance (not to mention 3 times as many cores & threads) with a new CPU and some faster & higher capacity RAM.

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 vs AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

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Grant
Darwin NT

That's really good. I have an AMD Ryzen 1400, Zen.
Not going to upgrade though :)

Give it 6 months for stock levels & prices to settle down. Then depending on your motherboard, all it may take is a BIOS update & you could boost your systems performance by double just for it's single threaded performance (not to mention 3 times as many cores & threads) with a new CPU and some faster & higher capacity RAM.

AMD Ryzen 5 1400 vs AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

My motherboard is a B350 chipset. AFAIK, that chipset won't get a BETA update,
I wouldn't mind mores :)

We'll see.

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My motherboard is a B350 chipset.

Oh, so close!

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Grant
Darwin NT

It's confirmed, Ryzen 3 leaves Intel behind.

And for those of you running older AMD hardware, here's a graph to show how much of an improvement it is over their previous products.

I used your other link to compare it to my FX8370 !!
Price of the 5600 is still favourable compared to my previous preference of 3700X - I'll need a new motherboard for either one, so that's no more a factor
Whether I can stretch to the 5800 or 5900 depends on how long I can hold out with my current machine and whether the prices ease in the new year.
Even if not, if I ensure the motherboard for 5600 is compatible with the 5800 and 5900s, I'll have an upgrade path without paying all over again.
A sign of how old my current machine is - the oldest CPU my usual supplier now sells is 2 generations on from my current PC

I'm thinking I should take the hint

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It's confirmed, Ryzen 3 leaves Intel behind.

And for those of you running older AMD hardware, here's a graph to show how much of an improvement it is over their previous products.

I used your other link to compare it to my FX8370 !!
Price of the 5600 is still favourable compared to my previous preference of 3700X - I'll need a new motherboard for either one, so that's no more a factor
Whether I can stretch to the 5800 or 5900 depends on how long I can hold out with my current machine and whether the prices ease in the new year.
Even if not, if I ensure the motherboard for 5600 is compatible with the 5800 and 5900s, I'll have an upgrade path without paying all over again.
A sign of how old my current machine is - the oldest CPU my usual supplier now sells is 2 generations on from my current PC
I'm thinking I should take the hint

Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with. It's more of a buy as much as you can afford an be happy with it for as long as possible, just like you did the 8370.

That being said there are people willing to buy an 8 core AMD cpu because they are upgrading from a dual or quad core machine. And YES I know about the controversy about the 8370 really being a quad core in disquise. I have several 6 core AMD machines still running that could all benefit from an upgrade to an 8370 for example, though it's not much of an upgrade.

Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with.

Rubbish.
Intel, yes. But AMD? Not true.

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Grant
Darwin NT

If you have an AM4 motherboard, with the first chipsets like the B350 which I have, then you can have the original Zen, Zen+ and Zen 2.
I read rumours that even the A320 chipset (first AM4 generation) is running Zen 3 but that's just a rumour.

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I used your other link to compare it to my FX8370 !!
Price of the 5600 is still favourable compared to my previous preference of 3700X - I'll need a new motherboard for either one, so that's no more a factor
Whether I can stretch to the 5800 or 5900 depends on how long I can hold out with my current machine and whether the prices ease in the new year.
Even if not, if I ensure the motherboard for 5600 is compatible with the 5800 and 5900s, I'll have an upgrade path without paying all over again.
A sign of how old my current machine is - the oldest CPU my usual supplier now sells is 2 generations on from my current PC
I'm thinking I should take the hint

Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with. It's more of a buy as much as you can afford an be happy with it for as long as possible, just like you did the 8370.

That being said there are people willing to buy an 8 core AMD cpu because they are upgrading from a dual or quad core machine. And YES I know about the controversy about the 8370 really being a quad core in disquise. I have several 6 core AMD machines still running that could all benefit from an upgrade to an 8370 for example, though it's not much of an upgrade.

I'm pleased to read Grant's comment wrt the motherboard - that was my impression.

I bought myself a (relatively) cheap 8350 CPU last year based on a theory that the better 8370s might have been binned to 9370, but there might be more-overclockable 8350s.
Turned out that wasn't one of my better theories, though it works perfectly well.

So I currently have a spare 8350 here in the UK with barely a month's use on it. If anyone could use it for a nominal cost+postage I'd be happy to send it off.
And when I do decide to upgrade <next year> I'll have the FX8370 on an ASUS M5A99Pro 2.0 motherboard with 16Gb RAM available, probably with an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 graphics card too

[Edit: I forgot I upgraded the mboard to an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX in May this year, while the FX8370 is running with a 22.5x multiplier and FSB at 216.7 so it's comfortably running at 4876.1MHz 24/7 and RAM tightened to 8/8/8/24/33]

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Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with.

Rubbish.
Intel, yes. But AMD? Not true.

So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.

Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with.

Rubbish.
Intel, yes. But AMD? Not true.

So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.

Looking it up, that sTR4 mb is limited, but it supports Threadripper CPUs in the 19xx range <and> 29xx, but not above

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So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.

Sid covered it- that motherboard (possibly with a BIOS upgrade) will allow you to upgrade to a 2900 series Threadripper (Zen+). Although you would have to check with the Manufacturer as to whether it is cable of supporting the 2970WX & 2990WZX CPUs as they require way more power than the lower end CPUs (250W v 180W).

The 3900 series CPUs (Zen2) required the TRX4 socket, and although nothing has been announced yet, it's highly likely the yet to be released Ryzen 3 series Threadrippers will also be usable in those existing motherboards.
Not as good support as for their main stream CPUs across multiple chipsets, but still way better than Intel to date.

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Grant
Darwin NT

So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.

Sid covered it- that motherboard (possibly with a BIOS upgrade) will allow you to upgrade to a 2900 series Threadripper (Zen+). Although you would have to check with the Manufacturer as to whether it is cable of supporting the 2970WX & 2990WZX CPUs as they require way more power than the lower end CPUs (250W v 180W).

The 3900 series CPUs (Zen2) required the TRX4 socket, and although nothing has been announced yet, it's highly likely the yet to be released Ryzen 3 series Threadrippers will also be usable in those existing motherboards.
Not as good support as for their main stream CPUs across multiple chipsets, but still way better than Intel to date.

All these systems are new to me - I'm so way out of date.
Looking back, I was only looking at compatibility between 5600 and the 5800/5900s. 6C/12T is more than my current 4C/8T and will be plenty good enough initially to get a foothold at that level.
In the same way, I have an I3-8350K which is running pretty well atm, but I'll look to upgrading the CPU to the highest level the m/b will handle at some point in the distant future.
And my FX8370 is an upgrade from an original FX8120, though tbh my motherboards haven't survived as long as the CPUs at extreme overclocking levels. I need to start over-specing my motherboards in future

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Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with.

Rubbish.
Intel, yes. But AMD? Not true.

So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.

Upgrade your 1920X to a 2920X. You missed out on the great prices late last year and earlier this year. I bought mine at launch for the MSRP of $650. Unfortunately the current prices have rebounded back to almost MSRP.



Same socket and memory needed. Just remove the 1920X and drop in the 2920X. There ARE some generational improvements, mainly in higher memory clock capabilities from a better IMC.
I run mine all-core at 4150Mhz @1.30V and the 32GB of memory at 3466Mhz CL14.

Still no match for my Ryzen 9 3950X with 32GB CL14 3600Mhz memory running at 4250Mhz all-core at 1.25V. But you would need a new motherboard platform for Ryzen Zen 2 or Zen 3.

There really isn't any current bargains on the 32 thread 2950X either which your motherboard supports. Same power TDP of 180W.

[Edit] Actually, right now Amazon has the 2950X for $590 which is a good deal.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GFN6CVF?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.

Sid covered it- that motherboard (possibly with a BIOS upgrade) will allow you to upgrade to a 2900 series Threadripper (Zen+). Although you would have to check with the Manufacturer as to whether it is cable of supporting the 2970WX & 2990WZX CPUs as they require way more power than the lower end CPUs (250W v 180W).

The 3900 series CPUs (Zen2) required the TRX4 socket, and although nothing has been announced yet, it's highly likely the yet to be released Ryzen 3 series Threadrippers will also be usable in those existing motherboards.
Not as good support as for their main stream CPUs across multiple chipsets, but still way better than Intel to date.

Wait a bit longer for the Zen 3 Threadrippers to arrive. Maybe by the end of the year as that is the same timeframe the Epyc Milan Zen 3 server chips are supposed to arrive.

Will use the same TRX40 socket as the earlier Zen 2 Threadrippers but does require a new BIOS to support the new cpus.

Don't be too hopeful of upgrading from one version of Zen to anotehr with the same motherboard, they too often require a new motherboard with each version of new cpu they come out with.

Rubbish.
Intel, yes. But AMD? Not true.

So you are saying I can upgrade my Threadripper 1920X to a Zen 2 or 3 cpu? I was told I was stuck with what I have, no I'm NOT unhappy with it but a new cpu is FAR cheaper than a whiole new mb etc. No I don't remember the mb model off the top of my head.

Upgrade your 1920X to a 2920X. You missed out on the great prices late last year and earlier this year. I bought mine at launch for the MSRP of $650. Unfortunately the current prices have rebounded back to almost MSRP.



Same socket and memory needed. Just remove the 1920X and drop in the 2920X. There ARE some generational improvements, mainly in higher memory clock capabilities from a better IMC.
I run mine all-core at 4150Mhz @1.30V and the 32GB of memory at 3466Mhz CL14.

Still no match for my Ryzen 9 3950X with 32GB CL14 3600Mhz memory running at 4250Mhz all-core at 1.25V. But you would need a new motherboard platform for Ryzen Zen 2 or Zen 3.

There really isn't any current bargains on the 32 thread 2950X either which your motherboard supports. Same power TDP of 180W.

[Edit] Actually, right now Amazon has the 2950X for $590 which is a good deal.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GFN6CVF?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

Thank you Keith!!!

I'm getting a new PC next week I'm going to commit to this project.
Getting a new i7 10th Gen and hoping to get crunching soon.

Before you spend your money, i strongly suggest you checkout some reviews to see just how well those CPUs perform.
And how much better other CPUs perform, at often similar (and often enough cheaper) prices.

And given that in a couple of weeks Zen3 is being released, and if the initial leaks are true, the price for all other CPUs will drop significantly once the new ones are available in volume in order to clear that old stock.
Passmark CPU scores (The Ryzen5 5600X is at the bottom end of the new releases- Ryzen 7 5800X, the Ryzen 9 5900X and the Ryzen 9 5950X are the others to be released initially).

WTF! Thanks for that info.

I've managed to survive until now with my increasingly flaky AMD FX8370 and I've had my eye on a potential upgrade, but I may have to recalibrate everything I previously thought if those price-cuts come through.
January sounds about right. I'm going to start praying I survive until then.

Praying is not working. I've had a bad week, PC-wise.
A tick down from 4876MHz to 4768MHz needed extra volts to get it stable. Hopefully it stays up for a few days.
I'm now wondering if Black Friday is a wiser move.
Price is still good, but a 5600X is only available as part of a build into my case with M/board and RAM, not for straight sale, and demand has doubled their build-time to 10 days. Ugh.

Anyone have any thoughts on a B550 m/board instead of an X570?
I prefer ASUS. I'm deciding between a ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING (WI-FI) and TUF Gaming X570-Plus (WI-FI) here

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Anyone have any thoughts on a B550 m/board instead of an X570?

Unless you need PCIe v4 (eg for extreme high speed storage), the B550 would be more than good enough.
AMD X570 vs B550 vs A520 Chipset Comparison

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Grant
Darwin NT