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If they were copying to the same model of server, with the same operating system, it would probably be simple.

They probably aren't, so they'll need to make a lot of changes in the programs that run on the server. That requires knowledge of whatever computer languages those programs are written in.

When I copy my photos and Photoshop to a new computer with Windows instead of Linux, I don't have to know how it's written. All they need to do is configure stuff.

For you, the program (Photoshop) already has a version available for your new operating system. The server programs aren't popular enough to make versions available for every operating system.

I've worked with moving programs from one operating system to another. It was NOT easy for the more complex programs.

I worked as an IT person for years. I would still be quite slow at learning enough about web servers to get one working

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If they were copying to the same model of server, with the same operating system, it would probably be simple.

They probably aren't, so they'll need to make a lot of changes in the programs that run on the server. That requires knowledge of whatever computer languages those programs are written in.

When I copy my photos and Photoshop to a new computer with Windows instead of Linux, I don't have to know how it's written. All they need to do is configure stuff.

For you, the program (Photoshop) already has a version available for your new operating system. The server programs aren't popular enough to make versions available for every operating system.

I've worked with moving programs from one operating system to another. It was NOT easy for the more complex programs.

Boinc is already written for all server OS they might use. If their own stuff needs to be rewritten, why not just change the OS? You don't rewrite loads of research programs instead of just having another OS. They must have countless servers there. Anyway, what they're saying isn't working is just the interface between the server and us, not the research. It's just a webserver!

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[quote][quote]I've worked with moving programs from one operating system to another. It was NOT easy for the more complex programs.

Boinc is already written for all server OS they might use. If their own stuff needs to be rewritten, why not just change the OS? You don't rewrite loads of research programs instead of just having another OS. They must have countless servers there. Anyway, what they're saying isn't working is just the interface between the server and us, not the research. It's just a webserver!

You're assuming that they have IBM servers, which are the only ones IBM operating systems will run on. There are enough differences between brands of servers that very few places have many brands of servers in use,

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[quote][quote]I've worked with moving programs from one operating system to another. It was NOT easy for the more complex programs.

Boinc is already written for all server OS they might use. If their own stuff needs to be rewritten, why not just change the OS? You don't rewrite loads of research programs instead of just having another OS. They must have countless servers there. Anyway, what they're saying isn't working is just the interface between the server and us, not the research. It's just a webserver!

You're assuming that they have IBM servers, which are the only ones IBM operating systems will run on. There are enough differences between brands of servers that very few places have many brands of servers in use,

Doesn't Linux run on any server? If they were using proprietary shit from IBM, there's no wonder they can't get it working. IBM does that on purpose to stop you from leaving.

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You're assuming that they have IBM servers, which are the only ones IBM operating systems will run on. There are enough differences between brands of servers that very few places have many brands of servers in use,

Doesn't Linux run on any server? If they were using proprietary shit from IBM, there's no wonder they can't get it working. IBM does that on purpose to stop you from leaving.

Only if someone has written the changes to Linux to make it able to run in those servers. It's not automatically able to run on any server you can find.

Since the previous server or servers were owned and run by IBM, I'd expect them to use an IBM operating system.

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You're assuming that they have IBM servers, which are the only ones IBM operating systems will run on. There are enough differences between brands of servers that very few places have many brands of servers in use,

Doesn't Linux run on any server? If they were using proprietary shit from IBM, there's no wonder they can't get it working. IBM does that on purpose to stop you from leaving.

Only if someone has written the changes to Linux to make it able to run in those servers. It's not automatically able to run on any server you can find.

Since the previous server or servers were owned and run by IBM, I'd expect them to use an IBM operating system.

I can take a Dell server and install Windows or Linux on it, just like a desktop. What's magical about IBM servers?

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Since the previous server or servers were owned and run by IBM, I'd expect them to use an IBM operating system.

I can take a Dell server and install Windows or Linux on it, just like a desktop. What's magical about IBM servers?

Nothing magical. Just different hardware, possibly with a different instruction set.

The Dell server and most of the other low-end servers use Intel or AMD CPU chips and therefore have nearly the same instructions sets. That means that if the compilers know what CPU chip is used, they can automatically make most of the adjustments needed.

Knowing how to use one operating system does not make it easy to use another one instead. I was always rather slow at switching from one operating system to another one I had not learned about yet. I've lost count of how many operating systems I've used, probably about six, learned one at a time.

Nothing magical. Just different hardware, possibly with a different instruction set.

Completely different instruction set.
I'm pretty sure WCG was actually running on an IBM mainframe. They've had to move it over to x86 based systems. Not a trivial task.

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Nothing magical. Just different hardware, possibly with a different instruction set.

Completely different instruction set.
I'm pretty sure WCG was actually running on an IBM mainframe. They've had to move it over to x86 based systems. Not a trivial task.

So into the 21st century at last. Why does IBM still exist?

Nothing magical. Just different hardware, possibly with a different instruction set.

Completely different instruction set.
I'm pretty sure WCG was actually running on an IBM mainframe. They've had to move it over to x86 based systems. Not a trivial task.

So into the 21st century at last. Why does IBM still exist?

To fund AI. Deep thought or whatever that is/was that took on humans in Jeopardy.
You want to see what all they are into, then go here: https://www.ibm.com/us-en/

And here we go again...2 mins computation and boom, dead but still running.
So far 2 tasks. Yesterday and today.
This is so old.

Yesterday's task goes to a Linux machine now.
I just killed todays buggy task, so not assigned yet.

Nothing magical. Just different hardware, possibly with a different instruction set.

Completely different instruction set.
I'm pretty sure WCG was actually running on an IBM mainframe. They've had to move it over to x86 based systems. Not a trivial task.

So into the 21st century at last. Why does IBM still exist?

To fund AI. Deep thought or whatever that is/was that took on humans in Jeopardy.
You want to see what all they are into, then go here: https://www.ibm.com/us-en/

Looks like something you pay them a lot of money to set up then can't get out of because it's not the same as anyone else.

And here we go again...2 mins computation and boom, dead but still running.
So far 2 tasks. Yesterday and today.
This is so old.

Yesterday's task goes to a Linux machine now.
I just killed todays buggy task, so not assigned yet.

At least you're doing some. My 2 smartphones and 5 of my PCs don't have AVX so can't do it at all. One of my computers is my main machine and Virtualpox slows down the interface enough to make me want to punch the screen. So that just leaves one single i5-8600K. Can't be bothered, it's doing Folding. Rosetta has too many requirements.

Sometimes it makes me want to make time machine, write super virus that would delete windows 8 source code branch from microsoft and upload it in the past

Sometimes it makes me want to make time machine, write super virus that would delete windows 8 source code branch from microsoft and upload it in the past

If you make a time machine, please go back and find the real programmers that we don't have any more. The ones that could write a program in kilobytes not gigabytes. If we paired those programmers with today's computers, we would have the 1 million times speed increase we should have.

Sometimes it makes me want to make time machine, write super virus that would delete windows 8 source code branch from microsoft and upload it in the past

If you make a time machine, please go back and find the real programmers that we don't have any more. The ones that could write a program in kilobytes not gigabytes. If we paired those programmers with today's computers, we would have the 1 million times speed increase we should have.

The whole of Win DOS 6 on a few floppy disks ,
then win 95 / 98 etc on an CD , a CD held so much data
XP took up most of a DVD
Now win 10 / 11 needs a dual layer DVD
And what fling use is all that guff
OK I have a `basic` idea what it duz ,
and how many floppy`s did BASIC need to work
it `s more chance for the thing to go wrong in weird complicated ways you never had nightmares about
Will win 20 need a blue ray drive just to get the adverts on .
OK , rabbit , rabbit we can do a heck of a lot more with confuzers today , but sometimes I despair of code bloat
There is more power in a rassbery pie than NASA had to put man on the moon
Minimum system requirments for quantum computing 1TB of RAM and 50TB M20 drive {command line only} ;-)

The whole of Win DOS 6 on a few floppy disks ,
then win 95 / 98 etc on an CD , a CD held so much data
XP took up most of a DVD
Now win 10 / 11 needs a dual layer DVD
And what fling use is all that guff
OK I have a `basic` idea what it duz ,
and how many floppy`s did BASIC need to work
it `s more chance for the thing to go wrong in weird complicated ways you never had nightmares about
Will win 20 need a blue ray drive just to get the adverts on .
OK , rabbit , rabbit we can do a heck of a lot more with confuzers today , but sometimes I despair of code bloat
There is more power in a rassbery pie than NASA had to put man on the moon
Minimum system requirments for quantum computing 1TB of RAM and 50TB M20 drive {command line only} ;-)

[Philosophical mode engaged] As computers become as fast and powerful as the human brain, they will become as useless as the human brain. Maybe a very fast computer just isn't possible?

I have two rosetta python tasks runnng and three wating to run on my Intel i5, 12 GB RAM, WINDOWS 11.
tULLIO

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And here we go again...2 mins computation and boom, dead but still running.
So far 2 tasks. Yesterday and today.
This is so old.

Yesterday's task goes to a Linux machine now.
I just killed todays buggy task, so not assigned yet.

At least you're doing some. My 2 smartphones and 5 of my PCs don't have AVX so can't do it at all. One of my computers is my main machine and Virtualpox slows down the interface enough to make me want to punch the screen. So that just leaves one single i5-8600K. Can't be bothered, it's doing Folding. Rosetta has too many requirements.

I've probably spent 400 in upgrades and replacements over the last 2 years.
Had to get 2 sticks new memory to handle up to 15 pythons at one time.
I accidentally got water drops on my MOBO after trying to disassemble a custom AIO refillable custom cooler after the pump broke down. So that cooked the MOBO a bit and then I decided to upgrade the CPU to go with a new future proof MOBO. I lost money at a incompetent repair center. Bought a new cooler (PC Mag EU cooler of the year) after researching it deeply. New center rebuilt the PC with this cooler. Still using my 1050 that I bought eons ago (in computer terms) and a secondhand 1080 I got for a steal from a graphics company offloading them (from their server room). I also changed out my power supply for a digital power supply. My case was to small for the new setup so I had to get a new case.
I am now settled in with this system and the only thing i MIGHT do is upgrade the 1050 at sometime.

Now this custom setup can handle anything I throw at. Pythons and videos at the same time along with primegrid on GPU and so on. It was worth the money, that's why I am pissed off when a task locks up my system. I burn a ton of power with this thing, I don't need buggy tasks.

I don't get this....currently 29 seconds processing on 4hrs and 12 minutes run time.
CPU is at .19% Progress is .006% every 2 seconds.
Again a aam task. Some work some don't.
ABORTED
That's 3,
The other two completed ok on the wingmen.
No idea what the difference is. One was linux and the other was windows.

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